Christian Wingnuts And Modern Atheists Both…


1: Have a feeling of saving those of other opinions.

Since they have the “truth” it is ok to persecute those who disagree, bombarding them with argument after argument until they give up, not because they are convinced but because they are tired and overwhelmed.

Imagine living in Catholic Europe in the High – Late Middle ages, when everybody was shanting the same poppycock until you either ended up in mortal danger or complied.

Today Atheism (which is not a new idea. There are mentions of atheists in Norse Sagas written in the 1200´s) has taken up a similar role of converting those straying from the straight and narrow to the truth.

Somehow, they have both “gotten” something that the whole rest of the world has missed and now they have to help all the other poor bastards.

And when the numbers of adherents go up that makes them happy (as oppose to many pre Christian, as well as contemporary ,often ethnic,”religions” who couldnt care less about numbers and have no interest in growing for its own sake.).

 

2: Pretend to be persecuted (by eachother and in general). Just like Pagans in the 60´s blamed it all on the Christians, todays Atheists blame it all on “religion” (a concept that is almost worthless and undefinable by the standards of serious anthropology) and Wingnuts blame it all on the Gay, political left or pretty much anything else.

3: Make easy answers by pointing out the horrors that are the results of whatever they dislike (by a good use of selective viewing. Worked for Nazis since the 1920´s so why not?).

The Christian blaming a lot of things on the lack of morals in society (as if Atheists where less moral???).

 

Westbourough Baptist Church.

In Sweden we have had sexual education since the mid 50´s, naked pictures, diagrams and the whole song and dance.

What country has more teenage pregnancies, Sweden or the US???

The Atheist blaming things on “religion”, as if it was some separate thing in itself ( I would argue that terms like “religion” and “magic” are ethnocentric construcs of a Judeo/ Christian society.).

The fact that Nazi and Communist death camps alone has a body count dwarfing any crusades, suicide bombing or similar must mean that politics and ideology (including democracy) are “evil” and should be abolished too???

4: Narrows down wide topics like belief, the existence of God (or lack of it), ethics and so on to one ontology, one epistomological model and so on.

They then carry on as if it was the “real” way of seeing things / thinking.

For Atheists that would be using materialism as ontological model and approach it only by rationalism and empirism and simply ignoring all other philosophy since the dawn of mankind up till now.

Christians love throwing value conservatism around, declaring society under threat of moral breakdown without their mythology to back it up.

 

Atheist symbol. The “Atom” design incorrectly implying a connection to science.

 

5: Using bogus science to further their agendas and reasoning.

For Atheists it is usually hard sciences. For Christians often soft sciences.

Examples being trying to prove that God (another silly term that means nothing in itself) doesent exist by using physics.

Or trying to actually find Noa´s ark on mount Ararat by launching expeditions and using “archeology”.

The physics in this case arent bogus, only the application of it.

A bit like proving an apple tastes good in inches.

The archeology however is total make belive.

If i where to launch an expedition to a Norwiegian fjord, sending down divers  and finding more and more “evidence” that the Hammer of Thor was down there, people would regard me as insane.

 

6: Insist on using narrow definitions of whatever they attack. Definitions that generally dont fit most of what actually gets implicated in the attack.

Usually “religion” to an Atheist means something resembling Christianity or at least Abrahamic religions.

Historically, monotheism, faith based religions and so on are not the most common (most pre Christian European religions where polytheistic and orthoprax, leaving your thoughts, feelings, beliefs and anything else  going on in your head private….usually, it would seem, even from the Gods, them not being omnipotent, omniscient or even necessarily Omnibenevolent .).

The fact that Christianity is so dominating today can be blamed mainly on Constantine II, not on any inherent quality or flaw in the religion(s) itself ( pre Nicean).

In short, by being made a state religion in Rome ( = the known world) it got a head start and a mentality of proselytisazion that other cults generally didnt have.

Pre Christian Rome had a policy (for their own reasons if nothing else) of toleration to the cults in lands they occupied as long as the cult didnt threaten the empire (as was the case with the Jews and the Druids and the pre Nicean “Christians”).

Often foreign cults where even imported and sometimes even incorporated into the main cult.

The same can be said about the Hellenistic world.

Serapis. Egypto/Hellenistic God
Picture: Open Source

There where syncretic cults all over Europe and Northern Africa.

In Norse sagas there are warnings (some of them from the God Odin) about being too “devoted” ( = over sacrificing ).

To compare an Abrahamic cult to an ethnic cult in Papua New Guinea is just silly and childish.

 

There are a whole bunch of religions that does not have:

*A creator of the world.

*A God.

*A universe to have been created in the first place.

*Faith as a reqirement.

*An afterlife.

*Rewards after life.

*Punisment from previous incarnations.

*Proselytizing.

*Prayer.

*Meditation.

*A central moral.

*Dogma.

*Mythology.

*Priests.

*Centralized practices or lithurgies.

….and so on and so forth.

Some even blur the borders between religion and philosophy (and can be seen both ways, Buddhism, Daoism, Confusianism, Thelema, Discordianism. The list can be made long.).

Some practices can be seen as spiritual and/or ritualistic and with a heritage from religion and/or culture but has no set belifsystem (or a very broad inclusive one) connected to them (Freemasonry, Yoga, Tantra, Kabbalah, Hermeticism, Neoplatonism. ).

7: Selective historiocity.

Atheists and Christians alike forget that during the High Middle Ages it was Islamic thought that stood in the forefront of science and Christians who where the crazy, uneducated  “suicide bombers”.

 

Much of contemporary chemistry, astronomy, medicine, mathematics, geometry and so on goes back to Islamic thinkers of that time.

Atheists forget that atrocities towards those who have the wrong opinions in countries where Atheism where  / are mandated by law makes even the Spanish inquisition seem like a fart in space (Pol Pot, China, Soviet, North Korea and so on).

Pol Pot and his merry Khmer Rouge. All Atheists putting any Inquisitor to shame.

Photo: http://forum.valka.cz/ftopic16364.html

I do agree however that the “political ideologies” of those countries could themself be argued to be religions.

Christians fail to see that there is inherent in the very fabric of their religion  to make “all men disciples”.

That is, spiritual and cultural imperialism.

I am, i guess, lucky to live in a country where most people are secular and apotheistic (= dont give a flying f**k whether God exists or not).

Religion usually does not creep into politics, medicine, education or other secular areas.

When a Lutheran , an Atheist and a Heathen  end up drinking beer at the same table there are usually no “funny looks”between them ( if they are even aware of eachothers beliefs).

It leaves room for those with a beliefsystem or practice outside of the mainstream to practice in peace and the possability of a pluralistic society where even several contradicting answers to the same question can be considered “right”.

It might be seen as a bit post modern but i believe (belief again) in the individual, the rights of the individual and the individual experience of existence.

I belive in the individual expression and i belive that the individual is forever a mystery to any other individual.

Thus, what goes on in your soul (in lack of a better term) is beyond scrutiny or judgement from me.

I cant prove ( and have no interest in proving) the existence of God(s).

On the other hand´i can´t prove the existance of minds other than my own either.

I still find interaction with both rewarding.

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One thought on “Christian Wingnuts And Modern Atheists Both…

  1. Gideon Jagged says:

    Reblogged this on Gideon Jagged and commented:
    Mental laziness is a characteristic of humanity. Free Thinkers take note. Outrage is not a replacement for critical thought.

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